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Originally posted by wwyyjj200 at 2004-1-28 06:26 PM:
# l3 @; \6 G1 v5 r0 L$ R1 V看来阿韩要移情别恋了
 移情是指。。。 ' u) g/ O! H: P/ K6 {) f" S
如果是指鬼魅（蔷花红莲），那是不可能滴 ，它是偶最钟爱的电影，偶是永远的蔷花嬖人！  ! o1 B, C2 o/ @, r
偶前面也说过了，蔷花红莲具备反复观赏的价值。而into the mirror，叫偶看第二遍的话，偶会觉得没意思~
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阿韩说的对，《蔷花红莲》的确是能够让人反复回味的片子。我就是看了它才喜欢上韩国电影的。自那以后买了十几张碟，竟没有一部能象《蔷花红莲》一样给我以震撼的，也许这就是曾经沧海难为水吧。7 G, Y$ D4 W8 y- n
顺便问一句，下面这幅图片是在《蔷花红莲》的什么地方，我怎么找遍了整个电影也没找到这个场景？
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Originally posted by wwyyjj200 at 2004-1-31 01:21 AM:
* d% G1 D- W; I% N阿韩说的对，《蔷花红莲》的确是能够让人反复回味的片子。我就是看了它才喜欢上韩国电影的。自那以后买了十几张碟，竟没有一部能象《蔷花红莲》一样给我以震撼的，也许这就是曾经沧海难为水吧。
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 别怪偶太热情，所有喜欢《蔷花红莲》的人，偶都想跟她来个大大滴拥抱嘿嘿
% [* X8 r% ~( a+ ^* \! } q" _对于这部电影，偶真有知音恨少的感觉，懂它的人少，喜欢它的人更少，而像偶这样狂热的影迷，在国内大概是绝无仅有了吧？:P+ K& l) V9 [8 k0 y t
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那张图不是剧中的场景，只是宣传剧照
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Originally posted by kittymimi at 2004-1-31 10:09 AM:. Z9 O+ n, M V; R2 u# p
好高兴阿韩也说刘智泰选片的眼光有水准，他的OLD BOY和自然城市我同样期待。
《old boy》偶一直好想看啊！！！至于《自然城市》，虽然票房不理想，评价也不一，但偶照样有所期待！9 Q) L0 ]/ z7 ]5 [
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The long of it goes something like this:
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8 E/ t$ c: j. E1 |9 ZThis time wants very much to be Bladerunner. The cyberpunk atmosphere is in full effect, and it even has fly-by adverts for off-world colonies, a la Bladerunner. And the rogue cyborgs, a la Bladerunner. And the airborne "cars" flying over the city, a la Bladerunner.
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The emotional center of the film revolves around an MP (similar in all ways to Bladerunner's Bladerunner units) whose job is to hunt down rogue cyborgs, but who is actually in love with a cyborg, Ria, who is near her expiration date. The plot follows his endeavors to circumnavigate that expiration and to live with her. Sounds awfully similar to certain aspects of another film I've seen, called . . . Bladerunner. Except, in Bladerunner, the cyborgs were attempting to reach that end on their own, and Harrison Ford fell in love with his cyborg in the course of the film, rather than being in love with her from the start.$ G8 _' P% Y& C% {' V
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The special effects are oddly imbalanced in the film. They are used to wonderful effect to create atmosphere. On the short end of the stick, however, we have the fight sequences, which are all very boring, poorly editted and which fail to differ in any significant way from one to the next. In addition, the "combat cyborgs" are easily the least impressive looking characters in the entire film. In their younger years, my little brother and his friends once made a ninja movie in our backyard, and the "combat cyborgs" in this film so very closely resemble my brother in their attire that I think they should be paying him royalties. You might think I'm exaggerating this point, but really, I'm not. They're really that bad. And aside from posing and flying around like mannequins, they really don't do much in the way of fighting. In fact, most of the fight scenes boil down to a few brief clips of the "combat cyborgs" flying around, jumping out of the water or grabbing MPs from the ceiling, and then the MPs all shoot each other in confusion.
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As for the character of Cyon, she's not very well developed and is used as little more than a plot device to tie the otherwise fragmented shreds of a story into one another. She is the unwitting connection between the film's love story and the diabolical conflict that forms the core of the film's poorly executed action.. ?( Z! E6 Q+ I, J) R
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In the end, this film is too much like Bladerunner for its own good, but not good enough to stand its ground against that film, now more than 20 years old. If you liked Bladerunner and need more of the same, then you might find this film interesting in ways. If you're a diehard sci-fi nut, then you should definately check this out.* m1 a4 q0 Q5 H1 }* I3 @
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But most viewers will likely find little to like in this film. While it's not blatantly offensive to my sensibilities, it doesn't stroke them much, and in the end, I feel very neutral about the entire affair.
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Natural City is decent for a one time viewing. I feel no need to own this film, however, for if I want to watch this sort of thing, I'll just pop my Bladerunner into the DVD instead and walk away from it without the mixed feelings that this film incites.0 ^1 Q9 L7 v/ E* Q" ]( w
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At times lovely and touching, and at times a half-baked imitation of a 20-year-old masterpiece of science fiction, Natural City brings nothing to the table that hasn't been seen before and ultimately fails to impress.2 y9 Z% k9 |7 }! }) J" b \
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I haven't seen Blade Runner, perhaps this is why I'm favorably disposed to NC.
# U$ N0 o& T+ [8 `9 s) N9 k# r' hI figure NC is a like it a lot or hate it movie. In that respect it reminds me of SORUM which is hardly scary but nevertheless interesting and rich with subtexual nuances and details. The way I respect Sorum, and even movies like Wonderful Days, is the same for how I respect Natural City. The narrative doesn't feel charged at all and so an audience member wishing to be pushed and pulled Hollywood style wouldn't feel fulfilled at all; but for an introspective guy like me the movie's ulterior richness, its psychological "offness," its overall wretched hopelessness in mood and the music, gives an impression that settles in a way that's appreciable. So, alhough not a great movie, NC is certainly not a stupid movie. I like it a lot.: Z; E8 q. c+ ^( B* Y) U: r! {9 J
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# [0 p! A1 [# k& g I never said that it was stupid; just disappointing and unoriginal. Wonderful Days I seriously disliked, and haven't seen Sorum. Natural City is definately better than Wonderful Days though, in my opinion.2 P; d! W4 R& X# F8 o
But seriously, if you like this sort of stuff, you should most definately check out Bladerunner. I'd go so far to say that it is the single best sci-fi film of the 80s (and probably better than anything from the 90s as well), and the special effects were way ahead of their time. The film holds its own against any modern film in terms of visuals, it has a great storyline and it's got a fantastic cast as well. It was based on the novel by Philip K. Dick (good book), who also wrote the stories upon which Minority Report and Paycheck were based. Bladerunner is easily the best of the films, though. Judging from what you say about the lack of Hollywood pulls and pushes, I think you would also find the pacing of the film quite to your liking.
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And after you see Bladerunner, I'm sure you'll agree that NC uses it largely as source material. Or if you see it and disagree, I'd love to hear your thoughts on that as well. So, do check it out; I urge you. You won't be disappointed.
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So far, my favorite Korean sci-fi film has been 2009: Lost Memories. I really enjoyed some of the themes of cultural identity, and the way that it incorporated Korea's history into everything. It made it a distinctly Korean sci-fi film and really set it apart from most others, which tend to be fairly culturally ambiguous films. What did you think of that one hwang?6 R0 O6 i: B" B
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7 o/ r" y8 X7 A. K% y" ^6 Q7 L I heard mixed reviews of this movie, but i'm going to buy it anyway.! G8 }, x1 q6 Q6 W$ A9 Q7 ?: ~
How's the movie compared to other sci-fi movies like 2009 and Yesterday, i saw that "mjcampagna" liked 2009 more than Natural City.: y3 R: v& T$ f0 w v4 m4 d) R
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Natural City is definitely better than Yesterday...^^
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I've seen Yesterday and 2009 and i must say I enjoyed Yesterday more than 2009, Lost Memories had good actors and looked amazing but i think the hole movie got off the track.+ `! o, I3 l2 `/ _
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In Blade Runner, though the main is Deckard, it is Roy who got 4 b/ F- J9 M& O+ U2 \7 X2 @! x
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Anyway, the main axis is the struggle between Roy and Deckard.9 B0 p$ a4 ]/ u: q/ o6 w- Z* l( `" x
But, in Natural City, the main motivation of R is to prolong Rea's life.
+ E" r1 P* C6 L; W c) u4 iThis is rather sentimental and tragedic than myterious mood.
. D: L9 p% g2 E& s2 k( bThe failure of this film is the failure of characterization.
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( a( L& ]/ O5 JThe image of MP, the armored police unit who executes genetic mutants,
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i% n, X' T* [) y8 x' f5 wThe image of slum area is similar to HONG KONG in GHOST IN THE SHELL.
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3 S4 r5 C4 j- l! MMany goog Sci-Fi films are adaptation of good Sci-Fi novels.
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I haven't received my order from Yesasia so haven't had chance to see Natural City yet. So I appreciate you guys reviews. I want to mention one thing though. I read the Korean movie magazine 'Screen' every month, and remember reading the director of Natural City's interview. He said he DELIBERATELY chose the settings to be very Japanese and Chinese in terms of the style because he wanted to warn us Koreans that this could really happen in the future if we didn't value our identities and accepted whatever that was foreign without any caution. Just want you guys to know that. I read Yu Ji Tae was quite depressed because the film wasn't well received by the public after all the hard works and high expectations and Choi Min Sik was the one who gave him a pat on his shoulder to console him. How nice Yu Ji Tae made up beautifully in Old Boy WITH Choi Miin Sik!
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Hmm, director's intention is very interesting but it is hard to tell
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by kittymimi:
, j$ ?) H% p+ A8 ~8 f2 f" @刘智泰的银幕处女作是98年和金荷娜的《再见，俊》，英文名叫《Bye June 》，是一部青春电影，描写一些刚满20岁，心情还不定的年轻人，在自己心目中宛如青春偶像的好友死亡，对自己所造成的一些现象的故事。% S9 v+ P1 C/ o' {) _
, h4 D/ P! @5 R; U第二部是《加油站袭击事件》，和李成宰合演的，韩片的另类之作，我最喜欢的韩国电影之一，99年卖座亚军。
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+ C; r% l( F0 L/ r& U' k+ O/ F( N现在的刘接片很挑剔，《OLD BOY》是朴赞郁的剧本打动他，他不介意当老崔的配角。刘2004的新作叫《Woman is the Future of Man 》，和《JSA》演出南韩士兵，《巴士站》演出老师的金泰佑合演，能让已在日本攻读导演专业的刘暂时放弃学业再度拍片，肯定是部不错的片子。. J1 i# ` [& F9 q
; v) V. M5 I* C6 Q/ D, }! B$ s《蔷花》是一部有深度的电影，并不是只有故事性，我认为它的故事性并不吸引人，重要的是编导挖掘引申它的内涵，从家庭的悲剧管窥社会的悲剧，世界的冷漠，它让我想起春上村树的小说，王家卫的电影，许美静的歌。
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