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【tvN】【The Genius2 游戏的法则】E12中字已出,第二季度圓滿結束,Season 3再見吧

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-12-4 15:58 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 kaolaxiaoniu 于 2013-12-4 16:59 编辑 ( Q4 ^% Y+ m  M" U5 |% c
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2 b) L7 m2 T, ~9 n2 USangmin: I heard a saying I'd never heard before through YellOw. I can't reveal it because it was a R19 saying, but it was a saying filled with a desire to win. (Reporters urge him to reveal it). It surprised me to hear "shut your teeth" instead of "shut your mouth".
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/ |/ O* N" K9 r# T6 g【按:完全不知道这句话是什么意思。求科普~】
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李相旼说,托洪榛浩的福,我学了一句从没听过的话。(记者问那是什么),李说,因为这是一个reality show,当有人生气的时候,就会冒出一些不经大脑思考的话,但是“shut your teeth"(应该洪是想讲‘闭嘴“,结果一着急就讲成了’闭牙”,哈哈)这样的话,我是无论在哪里都从来都没听过的。" a2 n  v/ `- U

3 n+ Z9 u  u, ?2 }# z(大家哄堂大笑),然后卢洪哲接着火上浇油说:洪榛浩真是一个很“不错”(很“友善”)的朋友,更妙的是,他连从来没见过一次面的人也会骂。我终于了解到他是一个性格这么“好”的朋友。。。(这时候洪榛浩已经笑得七歪八倒,恨不得地上有个洞能钻下去了)0 k, M# l( F* f) p& Z6 v& p
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连殷志源也来踩他一脚说:如果我们听到“砰”的一声的话(意思是爆炸了),就知道是他了。(哈哈,洪榛浩有这么暴烈吗?)
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-12-4 16:03 | 显示全部楼层
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YellOw: I found out really late. I confirmed my appearance and got the cast list later on and that's when I found out about BoxeR. On one hand I was happy, but on the other I could see through BoxeR's intentions. I've been close to BoxeR since our progamer days. Personally I always felt that BoxeR was really overrated when he was a progamer so I think this is a good opportunity to show that to everyone.; m" P* C- p2 c. @* ^% d
YellOw 洪榛浩(“洪”):我是很迟才知道(第二季)。我确定了参与第二季的意愿之后不久才被甄选,那时才知道BoxeR(也将参加节目)。一方面我很开心,可是另一方面我也看穿了林的意图。以前职业电玩的那段日子开始就和林非常要好。我个人一向觉得林当职业电玩家时的名声过誉了,现在就是个让大家看到这点的好机会。
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! Y& O$ f3 @, DBoxeR: It was a show I really wanted to appear in. I heard from the producer that YellOw could end up not appearing on it, so I said to him "If YellOw isn't there, how do you expect me to adapt and show my full ability? You have to give him a champion seed" and convinced him to get YellOw as well. There's actually some good points and some points that I can't accept about YellOw winning season 1. YellOw and my head to head score is pretty even. I just managed to win more on big stages. But seeing YellOw suddenly win through this program, I just couldn't accept that reality. That's why I decided to appear on the show. I'm struggling to adapt to the games, but once I've gotten used to it, I'll be a scary force.
8 X: Q/ t( a2 ~" N0 V" sBoxeR林耀焕(“林”):(《THE GENIUS》)是我一直很想上的节目。我听PD说洪可能不会出现(在第二季里),我就说“如果洪不在的话,那你怎么期望我能完全发挥我的才能?你一定要让他做(因上季的冠军)种子玩家回归。”,成功的说服PD让洪上第二季的节目。其实洪赢得第一季的冠军是不错(的结果),可是却也让我有点无法接受。我和他的交手的成绩至今算来其实不相上下,只是我在大型比赛中胜出较多。可是看到洪在这类型的(益智)节目获胜,我真的不能接受事实,所以决定要参加节目。我还在尝试了解节目的游戏机制,不过一旦我完全适应后,我一定会成为非常具有威胁性的对手。
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Noh Hong Chul: I don't know if it's because YellOw was a progamer, but his instantaneous judging of the situation is really fast. Also because the alliances change constantly you need a really good personality, but YellOw's sociability is really solid.+ ^% N6 @; Q4 D9 X% V( F1 Z
卢洪哲:我不知道是否曾是职业电玩家的缘故,洪榛浩的即时状况分析和反应非常快。而且联盟情形(随着节目的进行)一直在改变,所以一定要有讨好的个性(才能结成联盟),洪榛浩的社交能力真的不同凡响。# u) G5 H4 S9 f: t1 n
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I have a specific genre that I like which is the deduction and psychological type like in 'Infinite Challenge'. But I think 'The Genius 2' is the program that has the most evolved form of this type of show. I came to have fun, but couldn't understand the situation. I was wondering what was going on. The fun in 'Infinite Challenge' and here is different. 'Infinite Challenge's fun comes from the story, but 'The Genius 2' is about survival. I can't be too specific, but currently 'The Genius 2' is a show where I go with no thoughts and come back hollow. It's that kind of hugely fun show.$ i- D5 B3 d9 n0 ^* {$ Y, [4 r# f
卢洪哲(“卢”):我最害怕的对手是洪,因为他既有经验又有技术。律师林允善(“善”)也是匹黑马。我想我被选上应该是因为我的骗子形象吧。
4 L  c% E* i5 a1 Z1 Q; M7 x我玩游戏时通常都会预先想好如何呈现故事和角色的样子,可是在《THE GENIUS 2》里没时间让你这么做,因为这样一定会马上落其他人之后,可见参赛者有多么强的求胜欲和野心。
+ i# j0 k9 Z+ ?# X9 ?& L: i( W1 _我喜欢的节目特种类型像《无限挑战》里有的包括推理和心理战。不过我觉得《THE GENIUS 2》是智力节目里进化得最完善的。我原本是抱着来玩的心态参加节目,结果(节目发展的太快)让我摸不清状况,一直在试图分析当时的情形。《无限挑战》里的玩的游戏的趣味和这里很不同。《无限挑战》的趣味来自故事的主题,可是《THE GENIUS 2》里的趣味来自尽快找出生存的方式。我不能说的太详细,不过我上《THE GENIUS 2》前没带着太多的想法,上了节目后却觉得(自己好像)被掏空,就是那种趣味无止尽的节目。
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发表于 2013-12-4 18:03 | 显示全部楼层
我来列一下第一季中比较常出现的BGM~(贴吧上搜索以及结合我的记忆。。。贴吧有诸位听歌大神)
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每集death match的背景音乐,女声很沧桑/ ]# o9 W2 c; p2 _; c1 p1 V* N
被解放的姜戈 电影原声
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也是death match必出现的音乐
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从Ep1里总结李准硕败因的时候出现的。2 M" z4 w& H8 V! v  r5 E
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Cat Blues -- 菅野よう子  
( y8 _9 `. b; i3 Jmain match中间的时候,大家鬼鬼祟祟勾搭时候的背景音乐
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再附上一个xiami的精选集链接http://www.xiami.com/song/showco ... 7.6862697.13.7v6HCD
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謝謝G親,這部綜藝BGM也是重中之重啊,我和W親也是一聽到熟悉的音樂就開始熱血沸騰了,真有中毒性!!呵呵  发表于 2013-12-5 16:50

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gig88 发表于 2013-12-4 13:31
3 u; I4 F3 y9 \; I# f) g4 @最近补完了第一季!真的好好看~~
3 ~; P7 A+ X8 S* a2 E. A6 V* [第一季真的好多高材生啊,首轮被淘汰的李准硕,是哈佛出身而且还是朴槿惠 ...
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哈哈哈哈!很开心加入讨论~韩国综艺貌似都做很好,我也一直有追综艺。开始是RM,然后爸爸我们去哪。. [1 v( B. I8 c
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我很喜欢这种逻辑推理呀数学之类的游戏,跟小伙伴也会玩狼人呀,谁是卧底,Dixit(第一季的第八集车侑蓝被淘汰的那集玩的游戏),所以看The Genius很带感啊!

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韓綜都很好看啊,兩天一夜,真正的男人,無限挑戰,我們社區藝體能,都很好看的,呵呵。。要想快點點評就去新聞區積極留言就可以了,嘻嘻。  发表于 2013-12-5 16:59

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本帖最后由 kaolaxiaoniu 于 2013-12-5 17:04 编辑 , M1 M" Y2 D3 s4 J6 R
gig88 发表于 2013-12-4 18:10
* `' h) b9 F8 u& z% C4 k  R9 F发觉我不够积分,不能点评 只能这样回复了。。。
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1 [$ U6 V8 W# k  [6 H% T& I+ M0 q哈哈哈哈!很开心加入讨论~韩国综艺貌似都做很好 ...

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Producer: I've called BoxeR before in season 1. There was the guest special and I called him occasionally asking him to appear on the show. At the time he was the coach of a progaming team, but he retired soon after. Then he called me first saying he could appear on the show and that's how he joined the cast."$ t3 h$ J: `# J+ u" h( M
节目PD(“PD”):我第一季的时候就联系上BoxeR了 说是有个嘉宾特辑(应该是指诈欺赛马II吧)邀请他上节目。当时他正在担任职业电玩队的教练,不过不久之前刚离开了。之后他就致电给我说他可以上节目了,就这样成了第二季的参赛者。" B% V; `: k+ H  @* Q0 E

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李相旼(“李”):这是我第一次看到卢上节目时的表情如此僵硬,对自己完全没信心,连笑的时候都很空洞。我最大的优点就是我的观察力,而在我看来,卢真的是非常紧张。
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Sangmin: Since season 2 is after season 1 has been aired, a lot of very smart people have joined the cast. They must have also analyzed the broadcast so they all have a high understanding of the games. I could relax in season 1, but I have no room to do that now. The contestants have a very strong determination to win. I think Lim Yoon Sun is especially amazing. Season 2 has been very taxing on me.- B0 a  f3 ]  B
李:和第一季相比,来参加第二季的都是非常聪明的人选。他们有机会可以仔细专研第一季的节目,所以对节目和游戏有非常深入的了解。我在第一季感觉很轻松,可是在第二季里完全没有那么悠闲的时候。参赛者都有很强的胜负欲,特别是林允善,她真的很厉害。第二季让我觉得很吃力。
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Yoo Jung Hyun: It was really hard for me to adjust to the atmosphere since it's been so long since I was last on a broadcast. I thought I had suffered everything when I was a congressman, but on 'The Genius 2', much younger kids were doing it so it was more annoying. So I really didn't want to come to this press conference, but since it was in the area I just popped by to say hello. I'm also really annoyed that they're not giving us food. I've never felt refreshed after a recording.I want to give hope to old people. Gura fell in episode 6, and people were saying that they thought I'd be eliminated in the 2nd or 3rd episode. How ridiculous./ E8 D- l/ q/ G+ m3 r9 B% t
刘正贤(“刘”):我很久没出现在镜头前了,所以一开始时很不适应。我以为以前当议员是已经经历了很多考验,可是在《THE GENIUS 2》里有那么多年轻一辈的参赛者(让我承受压力),让我觉得更恼人。我原本想缺席今天的记者会,可是反正我人在附近,所以就来打声招呼。我也很不满节目单位竟然没有提供食物,每次录完节目都觉得精神萎靡。我想给年长人带来希望。金九拉也是在(第一季的)第六集才被淘汰,可是大家竟然猜测我在第二或第三集就会被淘汰。太可笑了吧。
7 `9 p0 O$ s5 w【按:呃 我猜想这前议员讲这段话时应该是带着开玩笑的语气吧?】
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Lee Doo Hee: I think I'll be cursed a lot after the articles go out, but I don't pay attention to local universities. I applied for KAIST and was rejected before, so whenever I see a KAIST student it's a bit sucky.
8 M- V* v% \4 N; z8 J! a8 U9 d南辉钟(“南”):我不觉得首尔大学(指李斗熙)有给我带来任何竞争感。
1 Q- p; Q& k& E: ?+ Q李斗熙(“熙”):我觉得这样说可能会被人骂,不过我真的没关注本地大学学府。我申请过KAIST被拒,所以每次看到KAIST的学生(指南辉钟)都觉得不快。6 h/ F" j: z: U. S! Z3 s7 R- v1 a8 A

# e- o* S% X- |* _6 _YellOw: Since season 1 was the first time the program aired, I was busy feeling things out. This time, everyone's prepared and determined. The competition is fierce. I wanted to show the aura of a champion, but it's really tough for me. It's really intense and fun.* H9 @8 C7 }- n. r) s, L
洪榛浩:第一季是节目的首播,那时我就一直忙着厘清状况。这一季大家有备而来,抱着必胜的决心,竞争非常激烈。我想要展现冠军的气势,可是真的感到很吃力,真的又紧张又好玩。
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Producer: There were some people talking about the fairness of YellOw and Sangmin appearing on the show again, but because our program is a variety show, we thought mostly about how to make it fun for the viewers.
3 @6 m6 x5 J9 f3 @PD:有些人质疑为何洪榛浩和李相旼又出现在第二季,不过这毕竟也是个综艺节目,所以如何更好的娱乐电视观众也在考虑的范围内。
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7 U1 l2 H* z/ e' w9 o9 `9 \卢洪哲:参赛者都想突出自己的存在感,除了李斗熙,像是偶有出现,可是却忽然又不在视线内,但是又好像手里有什么法宝似的,让人觉得意料之外。我开始并没有对他有很多期望,可是我现在了解他参加节目的原因了。5 p9 V% P! O% M1 N, N5 `8 f

: s- A' a! ~/ t$ `) ]- ]: HNoh Hong Chul: Because of my personality, if I'm acquainted with someone I tend to stay in contact for a long time. So I've stayed in touch with Lim Yoon Sun over that time. Although we don't get to see each other often, we do occasionally have dinner. I also had an advantage because I knew Lim Yoon Sun's tendencies. In a way I started out with more information. It was good for me in the games because I knew how she reacted when she's worked up.% p& W# c. E( f/ u/ Q) T4 O, ?
卢洪哲:照我的个性,如果认识了一个人,我会一直和他保持联系,所以之前结识林允善后,间中还是有联络。虽然不常见面,偶尔还是会出来吃顿饭,所以了解她的习性,也比其他人多了些优势。玩游戏时我也比较有胜算,因为我知道她激动时会做什么样的反应。) r4 e$ s7 \8 s& B

3 M+ I+ L6 N- s7 \& K: JSangmin: It won't be easy to overcome YellOw's progamer temperament. The other cast members struggle to maintain their focus until the end of the game, but YellOw doesn't falter until the result is decided. In season 1, YellOw became a different person whenever there was a death match. Whenever the odds become unfavorable, other people would lose their concentration, but YellOw quickly brushes it aside and returns to a normal state of mind.
1 Q" E' \' f; w+ `) X9 L李相旼:职业电玩家都很能沉得住气,那种精神让洪榛浩成为让人非常头痛的对手。要在游戏中持续集中精神和保持高度的专注力到结果揭晓,是件很困难的事。大家都应对和挣扎得很辛苦,除了洪榛浩,不到最后一刻都不放弃。第一季的时候,洪榛浩在DEATH MATCH时会变成另外一个人似的。情况不乐观的时候,很多人都会集中不了精神,不过洪榛浩却能很快恢复状态。
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0 Y# P5 |8 g/ J" l7 tYoo Jung Hyun: There's no word to describe YellOw. There's an over 10 year difference between us, but within the games, that age difference isn't allowed. Outside of the show he's extremely formal, but in the program he calls out to me with "hey" and it makes me really not want to face him. If I was to choose who I didn't want to face the most in a death match, it would be YellOw. If I end up meeting YellOw, I want to surrender.( U9 Y3 l0 b2 T5 m
刘正贤:没有一个词能够形容洪榛浩。虽然年龄相差超过十年,可是游戏里是不看出这种年龄差的。在镜头外他对我用很正式的尊称,可是节目里却用(平语)“嗨”,让我不怎么想面对他。如果要我选最不想在DEATH MATCH里遇到的对手,那肯定是洪榛浩。如果要我面对他,我一定会想马上投降。
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Yoo Jung Hyun: I think BoxeR joined the show just to beat YellOw. Having a definite goal is BoxeR's character and in order to achieve this goal he seems like a flexible and sly guy with something to hide.: O: Z4 |. O5 W& f( u. t6 _
刘正贤:我觉得林耀焕参加这个节目的唯一目的只是为了想打败洪榛浩。林耀焕因性格使然,做事一定会有个明确的目标,而为了达到这个目标,他应该会非常变通也会很狡猾,好像有所隐瞒。- D6 R: Z0 ~. h5 v

2 h4 _* g: x0 N2 JJaekyung: After watching season 1 I had deified YellOw. He was a godlike existence. But after seeing him in person, he was a really scary person. I felt very afraid.8 y8 ^4 l8 b& U) D6 B0 J
栽经:看了第一季后,我就完全把洪榛浩当作神一样的膜拜,他就像是神一般的存在。可是亲眼见到本人时,觉得他是个很可怕的人,让我非常畏惧。5 h( D6 r( y6 i+ h! E' N, ?

9 ]8 @& v3 j. W& U; z6 _1 H4 zBoxeR: In a game I control the units with my commands within the game. But in 'The Genius 2' I have to face people I don't know well and resolve things through words, but I have no experience in this sort of thing. Since I'm not very knowledgeable about these things I'm getting caught up in stuff. I think I need to collect my thoughts and prepare well. Only then will I be able to take down the huge mountain in front of me. So I want to go through the death match multiple times to show my skills to people." w+ Q% |/ _9 F# E
林耀焕:在电玩游戏里,我可以靠(用键盘和滑鼠)指令操控游戏里的部队。可是在《THE GENIUS 2》里,我得学习面对不熟识的人和靠言语来解决事情,而我对这方面完全没经验。既然我对这类事情很陌生,我就一直陷入谜团。我想我需要好好整理思绪和做好充分的准备,才能跨过像山一样的巨大考验。所以我想借由进入DEATH MATCH来向其他人展示我的实力。# _; I  p* p" Z9 T# ^1 q4 ?1 N( I& |
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Producer: Since it's a reality show, the cast occasionally unconsciously says things swayed by their emotions. While filming, the words "Shut your teeth" came out of YellOw's mouth and it was so unfamiliar to me that it left a big impression.
1 R. W* y6 W8 HPD:既然这是个真实节目,玩家们有时情绪失控时会潜意识的说些平时不常听到的话。录影时,当洪榛浩说出了一句我没听过的“阖上你的牙”时,印象很深刻。
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9 M, H3 d% c: L( bNoh Hong Chul: YellOw is really friendly. He curses with people he's never seen before. It gave me the impression that he was a very open person with a good personality.
! R7 f3 ?% l9 `8 s% t8 {卢洪哲:洪榛浩是个非常友善的人。他可以对从没见过的人说粗口。(全场爆笑~)给我的感觉是个非常直率、开朗、性格很好的人。
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* G) }8 Q+ m$ y  ~- \2 }8 A  ZLee Da Hye: The male contestants really don't care about their image. They act in ways that make me question whether you can really act that way. They're good at lying and betraying people and never trust others. I was surprised that there were people like this. YellOw is a character who's sharp, says what's on his mind and is skilled, but you just can't hate him. Even when he says something bad, it doesn't feel offensive. He has a humane charm that makes you unable to hate him. I think he'll get to the top 3 easily.
- B9 `9 Q! O$ N- i% O李多慧:男性玩家们真的很不顾自己的形象。他们的行为有时真的让我质疑:真的能这么做吗?说谎、欺骗、背叛、猜疑,无一不做。我很诧异竟然会有这种人。洪榛浩很精明,有话直说,有才能,可是就是让人无法讨厌他。他即使说了一些不怎么好听的话,还是不会让人觉得不快或被冒犯。有种很人性的魅力,很难让人对他产生反感。我觉得他能轻易的进入前三名。$ b+ x+ q6 G% o, u: W

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* s& m+ I" a# h  ^* IEun Ji Won: Why? I don't think I'll be able to win. I think I'll just be a prop that's helpful when people ally together. I'm not confident I'll be able to survive a 1v1 death match, so I don't think I'll be able to win.
5 t$ o$ Y5 Y; S0 o6 l6 z3 ?* Z) PNoh Hong Chul: I've known Eun Ji Won for a long time, but in this game he has a charm that's difficult to hate. Greedy people tend to attract scorn, and I've known Jiwon hyung for a long time, but he acts in ways that make me wonder whether he has any greed at all. If you see him being harsh, or worked up, or being greedy in this show, that will become Jiwon's Achilles's Heel and it will come back to bite him like a boomerang in a death match.
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- o( W) j2 T' j: P: B殷志源:为什么呢?我自己觉得胜算不大。我想我应该只会成为联盟时一个有用的盟友。我没自信能在一对一的DEATH MATCH活下来,所以应该不会赢得第二季。
( T( ^: c! c0 X+ v3 d卢洪哲:我认识殷志源很久了,可是在这个节目里,他有种让人难以对他反感的魅力。贪心的人一向都会招损,可是我认识了应支援那么久,他总是让我怀疑他到底是个有贪念的人吗?如果你看到他在节目上变得苛刻,激动或是贪婪,那一定会变成他的绊脚石,让他在DEATH MATCH的时候得到教训。
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Nam Hwee Jong: I was a Zerg player and a fan of YellOw, but after meeting him in person we were just friends of the same age and it was great to see his human side.. E8 n, g- D; o
南辉钟:我是个ZERG玩家,是洪榛浩的饭,可是亲眼见到他之后,就是同龄亲故/朋友的相处。能看到他人性的一面真的很好。
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5 I" }0 Z; N& z# C. t8 r- Q+ q+ ALee Da Hye: YellOw reminded me of Go genius Lee Sae Dol. He's smart and has a down to earth charm that makes it impossible to hate him.3 s! H# M6 F3 K3 _# K, V
李多慧:洪榛浩让我想到围棋天才李世石。非常有智慧,也很脚踏实地,有种质朴的魅力,让人很难讨厌他。
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YellOw: Because Sangmin hyung's such a good speaker, there are many occasions where I look back later and a lot of things that he said that were just stupid, but I couldn't help being swayed by him. It would be really great to have him on my side, but I'm much more worried that he's aiming for me behind my back./ N2 v" R  I/ d5 v7 R7 L
洪榛浩:李相旼很有说服力,我回想以前很多时候他说了一些其实没什么道理的话,可是我还是忍不住会被他影响。如果是和他在同一阵线还没关系,可是如果他是在我背后插剑,那我就会担心。
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Sangmin: I joined the show again because I'm desperate for the prize money. Out of the 13 contestants, there's probably no one who's as desperate for the prize money as me. I said this in season 1 as well, but I want to co-produce the next season of Mnet's 'God of Music' with the money. I want to win this season no matter what and make 'God of Music 2'. I don't know why they're making boring shows like 'Enemy of Broadcasts' instead of 'God of Music 2'.( e& K4 n$ h% u: u; x
李相旼:我再次参加节目的目的是因为我很渴望得到奖金。在13个参赛者里,应该没有那么像我那么急需要钱的人了。我在第一季提到过了,我很想用这笔钱来联合制作下一季Mnet的“音乐之神”,所以无论如何一定要赢得这一季的奖金。我真的不知道为什么(Mnet)会制作那么无聊的(李笛和John Park出演的)《放送之敌》,而不是新一季的《音乐之神》。0 W( a8 R5 p9 l. a4 a% i  f) ]

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BoxeR: There's the pros and cons of me being tall and YellOw having better proportions. I can't say who's better.
, ^! C9 J  P! LYellOw: Looks are subjective. BoxeR is tall but he has a big head and I have better proportions but I'm short. To be honest, I think I'm better looking.) U7 j: p5 Q. c  }
(被问及谁长得比较好看)
: m) G. ?9 a; J- O) d林耀焕:各有所长。我长得比较高,洪榛浩身材比例比较好。我说不出来谁比较好看。. u5 S, i3 e& d2 J, j3 L! A
洪榛浩:外表是很主观的。林耀焕长得高,可是头很大。我比例比较好,可是身高矮小。说老实话,我觉得我长得比较好看。$ J, W# X0 r4 t! [" Q

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YellOw: That's nonsense. Before I retired, when we faced each other near the end I won most of the time. From that moment on, BoxeR was nothing to me. BoxeR isn't my rival. Isn't it just BoxeR who thinks we're rivals?8 o6 y5 P1 r( _7 R$ G) R6 I9 m
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洪榛浩:那一切都是废话。我退休前和他的多次对战,大多都是我获胜。从那时候起,BoxeR在我眼中算不了什么,BoxeR根本不是我的对手。认为我和他是对手的,应该只是BoxeR单方面的错觉吧?% B3 K9 v1 A) T/ }) O
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Producer: Most of the games in 'The Genius' are based on tabletop RPGs. What this means is that you can't simply understand the rules and use your head. You need to have conversations with the other contestants and form relationships to play out the games. Also, because you're forced to play with other people, a "person's charm" plays a big part. The people that viewers have good feelings towards are likely to be well liked by the other players too. Since personal relationships and conversation are such a big part of it, these things are likely to be the key to victory. It's meaningless to differentiate between male or female. 'The Genius' is simply about 'people you need' and 'people you don't need' (laugh).
3 X- _  f7 U9 V5 [5 a- fPD:《THE GENIUS》里大部分的游戏,构想出自于电玩的角色扮演游戏。这意味着你不能不了解游戏的规则而只是单靠用脑力来玩游戏。你需要不断的和其他的参赛者交流和培养关系才能玩好游戏。因为游戏必须和其他人交流,所以个人魅力是个很大的成败点。那些观众喜爱的参赛者,通常也会引起其他参赛者的好感。靠情感交流和互相交谈的部分,都是致胜的关键。区分男性或女性是毫无意义的,在《THE GENIUS》里只分成“你需要的人”和“你不需要的人”。(笑~)
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Producer: This time we worked in cooperation with a board game company which introduced us to a lot of new board games for use as references. After season 1 ended in July, we prepared 12 main match games and 10 death matches in 3 months.
+ c5 @6 |% y6 k4 j( u& Z& _' JPD:这次我们和棋盘游戏公司合作,公司介绍了很多新款的棋盘游戏作为参考。第一季在七月结束后,我们花了三个月的时间来设计第二季的十二个MAIN MATCH的游戏和十个DEATH MATCH的游戏。! A) o8 S5 ~8 S6 Q4 C+ z
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Producer: We gave as much consideration as possible to make sure that a wide demographic could understand the games. I thought that we needed to improve the understanding of the games. When the game had complicated rules, we carried out an advance rehearsal. Of course, if a rehearsal is meaningless or a rehearsal would lessen the fun of the game, we didn't do this and played the game straight away. But it wasn't very easy to shine a light on the tangled up relationships with simple games. So even if people don't understand the program's rules at all, I hope that we'll at least be able to make it fun.* g2 ^6 l2 D$ V3 F" z6 g6 `
PD:我们尽可能把游戏设计成能让普罗大众都能理解的游戏规则和玩法,我觉得有必要让游戏更容易理解。如果游戏的规则比较复杂,我们会预先彩排。当然如果彩排变得没有意义,或减少了游戏自身的乐趣,那我们就省略彩排的部分,直接进入正式的游戏。不过要厘清游戏的难易度和关系的复杂性很不容易。所以即使有人完全不了解规则,那我们希望至少能把游戏弄得好玩。
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6 S  W5 P: |/ RSangmin: Sunggyu and I still keep in touch. I don't see anyone in season 2 to form a partnership like I did with Sunggyu. It won't be easy to win.
' l6 t+ o$ y0 N+ W李相旼:我和圣奎至今还保持联络。在第二季里的参赛者中,我找不到任何像圣奎(在第一季里)一样的盟友人选。要赢得这一季的比赛并不容易。
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Jaekyung: I was really impressed with Sunggyu's role in season 1. So I wanted to get advice from him. Luckily, Sunggyu and I go to the same hairdresser, so I decided I was going to make sure to ask him if we met. But after it was decided that I would be on the show, Sunggyu left on a concert tour. So I still haven't been able to get any advice.
: Y, [1 B& P) w7 P; \栽经:我非常欣赏圣奎在第一季的角色定位。我和他刚好都是光顾同一间发廊,所以想说有机会一定要向他讨教。谁知道当我确定出演第二季的时候,他刚好就出国巡演了,所以到现在都还没机会碰面。
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! Z7 |1 A1 H& ^/ u李多慧:身为一个职业选手,我有非常强烈的胜负欲。我很讨厌输的感觉。如果进入DEATH MATCH,我要面对一个强大的对手,所以会想和洪榛浩一较高下。8 v! T' D/ G% l- J$ t0 j. W

: ]5 L$ E2 ~5 }  D& k$ y" n  iYellOw's pledge - If the first episode gets ratings over 2.22%, YellOw will give away one of his prized possessions.; \: V( l! K- S; u" H7 {# b
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The Genius 2 游戏的法则 试映会采访4,英文字幕
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  @1 K. i6 |4 Zhttp://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjQ0OTUxOTM2.html7 N$ Y* y$ V4 Q+ U
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& d, A: H* L0 q, f9 {% d7 v2 WThe Genius 2 游戏的法则 试映会采访5,英文字幕
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a ... sODNMwXjK9oFTfLop6Z+ z4 p$ I* e" f( T, L

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原翻譯:femacca
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+ ^; o; ~1 X6 @The Genius 2 游戏的法则 上届参赛者崔昌烨的采访,英文字幕% H( ?- \2 m0 }; Q$ D

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http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjQ0OTQzNTgw.html1 ~) e, J: P5 q. m8 E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x ... sODNMwXjK9oFTfLop6Z
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~~TO:第二季的参赛者 ; FROM:第一季很快就被淘汰的崔昌烨~~
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“大家好 我是《THE GENIUS》第一季的崔昌烨# v* q# Q" I* D% l
听说《THE GENIUS: RULE BREAKER》快播出了
: Q! A0 H) F0 y5 m恭喜恭喜~; m/ S8 I$ f. e6 C# ?1 X

5 E2 l: A) [3 b! W回想当时 有种奇妙的感觉  n/ n. F. W6 K# L0 n
那时感觉很开心 游戏真的很好玩
  e' l% a. H: Y, `我也很想在节目里留得久一点
" [, r& c4 s2 B3 o# U2 s. y不过。。。我就不指名道姓了 总之不知怎的就被淘汰了 (笑~)
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若要给第二季的参赛者一些忠告' k9 A0 T1 R" W! K5 ~
就是 不要轻易的相信任何人 包括跟你最亲近的人9 y3 g0 V. i- g! A0 t3 x& a: B
越是友善的人就越危险~
; @- A7 d0 C' |6 k6 L唉~(长吁~) 怎么又叹息了呢
* @( L6 q, N3 t$ _对了 听说第一季的榛浩hyung和相旼hyung也回来参加第二季
  L$ }) F. `8 H4 d  P+ w6 F而且这一季的参赛者好像有联手围攻他们
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嗯。。。怎么说呢  A' M* S1 C: l& g3 ?% K& M  L
你们其实应该和游戏的前辈们好好讨教求助才对& [8 @' p! A! _4 o0 N1 m
不应该这样把他们抛在一边
& S3 X; F* q! g9 w7 `据我仔细观察 第一季的参赛者似乎还是比第二季的(素质)好
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一定要打败耀焕hyung!
4 s0 g. C. A& U1 u7 Q4 H不要让我们失望 要守护第一季参赛者的尊严
7 D4 W7 n* |+ I( [希望你再次夺冠哦
% L" L0 W2 J9 ]% B. h继续努力加油
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祝愿《THE GENIUS》第二季收视长虹
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kaolaxiaoniu 发表于 2013-12-7 13:54
  _% n# V7 V6 i, ^/ FThe Genius 2 游戏的法则 上届参赛者崔昌烨的采访,英文字幕

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记得崔正文被淘汰的那集,death match 蓝小姐和崔小姐要以“包、剪、锤”决胜,然后意外地加入之前被淘汰走的四人,包括昌烨在内。昌烨一直都很伤痛的样子,说被某人背叛很伤痛。但是,最后还是在包剪锤时输给了崔小姐(看得我也好心痛啊,我懂 )。
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8 z2 K: h1 a1 p7 s" B还有第一季最后一集,全部成员观看决赛时,昌烨还是坐在崔小姐旁边的~$ a; i% d0 M9 f
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好吧,我只是调戏一下这两位
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想起兩個崔小朋友的悲傷愛情故事,真的是很多的感歎號啊,哈哈哈哈。。。在利益下的愛情和友情很難計算價值啊,第一季因為有他們,也多了一層色彩。。這季不知道還有沒有這樣的愛情故事啊,嘻嘻。。  发表于 2013-12-8 09:16

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本帖最后由 kaolaxiaoniu 于 2013-12-9 23:25 编辑
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7 v4 N% r+ d8 b$ _/ f/ Z- t2 \第一集韓語無字高清下載
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無字在線
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http://my.tv.sohu.com/us/18471639/62749485.shtml: y3 r2 x/ ^' z; z9 p0 e" s; e- H
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4 t5 |  F- _. z8 v$ H/ [P.S。早先給的那個種子我下來以後發現音頻有點問題,後來找到一個更新的重新下,
- ?+ @/ t+ L) @' \! R$ m這個我測試過後,是沒有問題的。如果有同學之前下了舊的種子,抱歉了。。
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看完這集無字,只想說一句:
5 c+ H) f* v& e8 o& O+ [9 ?在壓力和利益驅使的殘酷生存環境中,
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畢竟成功不是完全靠個人,
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那也是踩著眾人的肩膀登頂的。
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有運氣,有膽識,有能力,很可惜敗在最後一項。
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選擇一個綜合條件都比他稍微遜色一點的對手,0 ~+ Z' e& Z& ]% O
他都不至於在第一場比賽就出局!
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-12-8 19:46 | 显示全部楼层
官方发布,The Genius 2 游戏的法则 试映会10分鐘Cut,韩语无字
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中字在線youku鏈接如下:8 {/ B1 @) E3 g/ D$ e3 I
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjQ2MTM3NzI0.html
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因翻譯的Davina親不太建議轉載,
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我来啦~~~~~话说本来以为字幕组会出,结果人家一个人居然赶在一群人前面出了,字幕组好惨。。。
! H" o9 W+ |: |' T& u8 p9 [南某气场就属于让人觉得很压抑的,性格还这么自负,不知道哪里来的自信还以为自己赢定了。他不是因为太自负完全有可能不被淘汰,他数学那么好完全可以算一下自己是不是应该先吃其他狩猎型动物,而且也没想到跟同联盟的其他人说好进同一个地方,还想着不是同联盟的律师一定听他的,而且也没计算像不能吃的之类情况。韩国的数学老师都被他气死了吧。估计是拿到狮子太兴奋,如果拿到其他稍微低等的动物说不定还会一直算。
  U( w4 U0 \9 ~: a# z8 P4 b2 ?我挺喜欢律师的,虽然说不上聪明,但是至少很会观察,一直在思考。5 e, x$ V8 k1 s0 V( ]0 V! o
其他人的话,感觉那个棋手似乎也厉害,模拟的时候就耍小手段,正式的时候也把同盟吃了。主播和魔术师也还行。议员也不知道是真傻还是假傻。殷志源才是真的运气也超好,脑子也有。卢宏哲太主导了。感觉太突出容易被攻击。其他人都没感觉了。感觉这一季的游戏比第一季更充实了。开心啊,激动激动。

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終於來了~~怕你沒還沒看,我本來想來發評論帖的,又怕劇透了你跳腳,一直苦苦壓抑啊,便秘都快出來啦~~哈哈哈。。既然你看了,我看明天有沒有空來寫我的想法,現在太困了,去睡了。。  发表于 2013-12-11 22:14

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" j/ h/ O  ?+ A+ h7 ]8 k  h" H我来晚啦~~~~~
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其实看中字前就被贴吧的帖子剧透了淘汰谁。。。但是,没关系!还是很好看! ; `/ O1 ^% ?; I; ~& i' E" b5 y
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我也觉得卢洪哲太突出了,而且组队太早了。这个食物链的游戏,还是等确认自己身份后在组队会比较好,就像豆子说的。然后数学老师,哎,可惜了IQ173啊,考拉说得对,人还是要谦逊才好,他太过于骄傲和急躁了。然后殷志源的兔子太逗了!哈哈哈哈,总是看眼色在活,最后竟然还不死赢了!预告的时候不是大家都很关注殷这个人吗?期待他在后面有更惊人的表现哦~ 豆子和他的老对手,哈哈哈哈哈,太有爱了,之前看他们采访其实关系不错,游戏里也决定先联盟,最后才一对一决斗。其实看起来,豆子对这种真人show的游戏把握得比老对手要好,可能也是玩了一季的原因吧~  李相闵xi !!!好可怜啊!!!到处被嫌弃的感觉~ 其实李对游戏的把握也是很好的,就是背叛者的形象太深入人心了。。。。。(我觉得李同学长得很像杜汶泽,言行举止都很像。。。)
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/ K  p* H2 z& e. J对后面游戏的期待,希望殷志源会有更好发挥。还有林耀焕,然我们看看第一的王者风范啊。还有围棋手貌似也会一直思考的类型。还有黑客,期待有爆发。哈哈哈哈李相闵xi要留得后一点啊才好玩~% n2 `8 h! K: I0 r
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EP2最後有點sad啊,要有心理準備。。。嗯,只能說社會現實是很殘酷的吧。。。突然覺得這節目非常具有現實教育意義,哈哈哈。。。。。  发表于 2013-12-14 23:11
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