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【2010KBS】【推奴】【张赫 李多海】追与被追迷乱了方向,恩怨情仇留下点希望

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 楼主| 发表于 2010-3-9 22:55 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 浮楼潋月 于 2010-3-9 22:42 发表
但世道没有任何改变。
所以大吉无论怎样尝试也改变不了世道。
不过大吉播下的良好想法的种子一定会在以后的某个时候结下良果。
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照这意思, ...

切,俺现在感觉特好,为啥我最近觉得大吉绝对不会挂咧
18集的图太多咧,俺还没贴完`
眼睛扛不住了,明天再贴~

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发表于 2010-3-10 00:30 | 显示全部楼层
po过没?
三月的月历
source: http://blog.dramafever.com/2010/ ... o-creating-destiny/

                               
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发表于 2010-3-10 03:19 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 s-pearl 于 2010-3-9 21:55 发表
(勤奋的LZ一会功夫就发了几页的高清图。。。)

“左议政”采访稿最后关于结局的看法:

圆满结局谁看了都会认为太牵强了吧?
史实是摆在那里的,硬要用戏剧的角度去完成,
只能降低作品的说服力。
在既有贵族(两班)也有奴婢的社会矛盾中,的确进行过改变这一矛盾的尝试,
但世道没有任何改变。
所以大吉无论怎样尝试也改变不了世道。
不过大吉播下的良好想法的种子一定会在以后的某个时候结下良果。
把这样的希望作为余韵留下来成为最后一幅画一定会不錯的。
事实上还有很多需要改变的大韩民国目前也正在向那个希望迈进之中。
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图太多了,我全文引用一下作为强调...

改变很难,但剧中的角色至少为改变而努力过...
这一切终究将在未来产生意义,是要用这样的氛围作结么?

故事的结局尽管可能是开放式的,但不见得是喜剧或以主角全存活收场
或许也不只是把那群有梦想的人,送到世外桃源或深山隐居那么简单...

恩...一个留下余韵和希望的结尾...
真的不好猜,不过猜起来反而更有意思~
可能是个结束在热闹集市中的故事也说不定...

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发表于 2010-3-10 06:03 | 显示全部楼层
That is a question to which I’m inclined to answer no. Actor Lee Jun has reportedly already been cast to play Crown Prince Bongrim, the little prince’s uncle. Plus, the heir-apparent-to-the-throne himself roaming the night with a bunch of slave rebels? Probably a huge security issue :-)
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演员李浚已被定为饰演元孙的叔叔(就是他后来继元孙的爷爷成为王), 即世子Bongrim。

好像是这个人: http://www.hancinema.net/korean_Lee_Joon.php
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原帖由 hohomania 于 2010-3-10 03:19 发表
改变很难,但剧中的角色至少为改变而努力过...
这一切终究将在未来产生意义,是要用这样的氛围作结么?

故事的结局尽管可能是开放式的,但不见得是喜剧或以主角全存活收场
或许也不只是把那群有梦想的人,送到世外桃源或深山隐居那么简单...

恩...一个留下余韵和希望的结尾...
真的不好猜,不过猜起来反而更有意思~
可能是个结束在热闹集市中的故事也说不定...

跟张赫和编剧的剧透是吻合的。。。
硬梆梆但却合理的史实要硬拗的确不妥。。。根深蒂固的阶级制度,元孙也的确落寞而终。。。
“即使那时”“改变很难”,“故事的结局”“可能是开放式的”但却是“一个留下余韵和希望的结尾”。。。

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FACT VS FICTION IN SLAVE HUNTERS 推奴中的事实与虚构


                               
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Jang Hyuk stars as a chaser of fugitive slaves in the highly popular drama “The Slave Hunters (Chuno),” which airs on Wednesday and Thursday on KBS. The drama deals withs slavery in Joseon Kingdom (1392-1910).
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By Chung Ah-young
Staff Reporter

KBS’s drama “The Slave Hunters (Chuno)” is enjoying huge popularity for its heart-pumping action sequences and its focus on those who are often overlooked by history books and dramas.

Set in the Joseon Kingdom (1392-1910), the drama depicts the world of slave hunters and fugitive slaves. Some were born into forced servitude and for others it was a form of legal punishment.

In the drama, a slave hunter named Dae-gil (Jang Hyuk) seeks to track down the escaped Song Tae-ha (Oh Ji-ho). Tae-ha became a slave after being falsely framed for a crime. Dae-gil is also looking for Eon-nyeon (Lee Dae-hae), a female slave he loves.

As the 24-episode drama, which began on Jan. 6, draws to a close, many are wondering what is fact and what is fiction concerning slavery during the era.

The Academy of Korean Studies (AKS) offers a Web-based service to address such questions regarding the drama by providing relevant historical facts analysis.

Did Slave Hunters Really Exist? 推奴手真的存在吗?

In the 18th century, the number of fugitive slaves sharply rose, although their economic situation improved a little with commercial and agricultural development.

To prevent further escapes, the government came up with measures that ended up being unsuccessful. As a result, slave owners began to seek their own solutions.

“`Sokdaejeon" (a supplement to the Nation Code) states that the government punished the illegal chasing of slaves to reduce evil practices carried out by the noble class and slave hunters. Owners were supposed to attain the government’s permission before hiring such hunters. But in most cases, they defied the government.

In the drama, Dae-gil and other slave hunters pursue Tae-ha hoping to earn a bounty. In the historical records, slave hunters were paid with such rewards. According to “Chuangeupgukan,” a book that documented statements of felons, slave hunters could make money but their earnings were considered “unfairly acquired property.”

The academy said that often owners sent other slaves to capture the runaways.

答案是肯定的。但通常奴隶的主人是派其他的奴隶去追逃奴的。

Were Runaway Slaves Stigmatized? 逃奴会被刺字吗?

One of the noticeable points in the drama are the marks made on runaway slaves’ foreheads or chests identifying them as such.

There is a historical record of tyrant King Yeonsan ordering runaway slaves to be marked in 1506.

史书记载,1506年暴君燕山王下令在逃奴身上刺字。

However, as stigmatization was considered a ruthless punishment, it was actually never implemented and was abolished in 1740.

然而,刺字被视为残酷的惩罚,所以从未付诸实行,而在1740年废除。

Instead, slaves were recorded in the official documents that recorded transactions involving them. Fugitive slaves were also documented.

Who Became Slaves? 谁成为奴隶?

The drama portrays more than half of the population falling victim to forced servitude during the reign of King Injo in the early 17th century.

The slavery system, during the Joseon Kingdom, was based on lineage, following a rigid Confucian hierarchy.

Under the law, if one parent was a slave, the children were also. If an owner had a female slave, her children were born into that life. So slavery was one of the best ways to increase an owner’s assets.

Felons became slaves as a legal punishment. In the drama, Tae-ha was originally a high-class military officer but became a slave after being framed for political scheming.

According to the academy, historical documents such as “Daejeonhoetong” (the Comprehensive Compendium of the National Code) prove that there were indeed such cases during the Joseon era.

Some people voluntarily became slaves because of poverty. The historical document recorded one wife becoming a slave in the late 18th century to take care of her husband and pay for a funeral for her father-in-law. Such cases were not rare despite the fact that once they became slaves, their status would be handed down to their children.

Sometimes, due to poverty, parents sold their children as slaves to noble families. For the noble class, this situation offered a good opportunity to buy slaves at a low price.

大概有三种人:世袭(父母之一为奴,兒女即为奴,如惠媛),触法(如太河),贫穷而卖身为奴。

Could Slaves Change Their Destiny? 奴隶的命运可以改变吗?

In the drama, Keun-nom and Eon-nyeon run away after robbing and setting fire to Dae-gil’s house. They succeeded in starting a new life, hiding their original social status.

“Yeongjo Sillok” (The Annals of King Yeongjo) states that there was a figure named Eom Taek-ju who was born as a slave but ran away and passed the state examination to become a civil officer in the royal court.

After his origin was divulged, King Yeongjo ordered a strict punishment for Eom and sent him into exile on Heuksan Island, where he again became a slave.

After being exiled, he fled from the island to Seoul and eventually posted a statement criticizing the state, which was regarded as treason at that time. He was arrested and tortured to death.

The case shows the human will to overcome the obstacles of social status, the academy said.

答案是否定的。有个逃奴通过州考成为朝廷官吏,后来被发现,被王贬到Heuk山岛,后来那个奴隶逃回首尔撰文批评国家,被视为叛国,结果被抓,然后被虐待至死。

For more details, visit www.kostma.net/Contents/Chuno.

chungay@koreatimes.co.kr

Source: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/art/2.../135_62058.html

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po过吗?
source:http://allkoreangossip.com/2010/ ... yuk/comment-page-1/
Interview with stylish Jang Hyuk
March 2nd, 2010
Here are stylish pictures of Jang Hyuk from an interview with a movie magazine cine21.com. On below is excerpts from the interview:

Q: It has been told that you had suggested the idea of having a knife mark on your character’s face in Choo-No.

A (Jang Hyuk): I thought that there should be a separator for my character’s past and the future. I had to “act” the 10 year difference but I thought it would be also nice to show the difference from appearance.

Q: (ending the interview) It is great to have an interview with you….

A (Jang Hyuk): Can I say one thing? There were many talks regarding the drama that was outside of the drama itself. Specifically there were lots of talks regarding Lee Da-Hae’s excessive appearance and such. As a person who was working together on her side, I want to tell that Lee Da-Hae tried her best to reenact the character that was given to her.

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原帖由 wwhyuk 于 2010-3-9 22:18 发表

俺是大吉帮的~

之前是因为身份的差别
可我私以为,阻碍他们在一起的身份问题已经不存在了~
毕竟持反对意见的父亲十年前就挂了~
只要他们不说,谁又会知道小丫头曾为奴的身世~

在街面上混了那么多年的 ...


既然是大吉幫  就該知道大吉跟其他兩兄弟的志向並不相同  
他除了找小ㄚ頭外  還不斷偷攢錢 建設山裡的桃花源  讓奴隸有平等的生活  他對言年的承諾一直在實踐中
這早已內化成為大吉的人生觀

反倒是太河  復國計劃裡並沒有廢除奴隸這一項  
他骨子裡就是個兩班,,,當過奴隸是他最大的恥辱
這也是16集裡當他知道慧媛是奴隸後大受打擊的原因  當然  大吉與慧媛將是太河找到改變世道 不再迷惘的關鍵

<推奴>主旨始終沒變  是有些觀眾太執意在三人的戀情上了  

PS  
  不點  從<謝謝>起  就很欣賞你的勤勞
<推奴>或許讓各粉絲失望  但卻沒有影響單純看戲的其他人(如我)
  編寫劇本邊拍戲的情況下  瑕疵及硬傷難免  尤其是大陣仗的戲
可是一般觀眾多能容忍 ~~ 因為有好演員及用心的工作團隊  整體而言仍是值得一看  (畢竟我們只是求娛樂 不是求影視教材)
  
   LZ之所以為LZ   應為多數無法參與討論的觀眾提供導讀 快速融入劇情 立場應該更客觀 超然
  所以  標題可否更切題?  而不是評論或嘲諷?  ( 這次的標題是對19集幾秒鐘預告的嘲諷推測,對戲劇本身有失公允)

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soompi那边的资料基本上都没人PO的,请亲放心PO吧

原帖由 pulain 于 2010-3-10 10:27 发表


既然是大吉幫  就該知道大吉跟其他兩兄弟的志向並不相同  
他除了找小ㄚ頭外  還不斷偷攢錢 建設山裡的桃花源  讓奴隸有平等的生活  他對言年的承諾一直在實踐中
這早已內化成為大吉的人生觀

反倒是太河  復 ...

标题标题~ 咋办~从不汗的时候,凡是我建的楼,标题都是狗血的~
正儿八经的标题想不出来

唉,我不入戏啊,有了偏见更是容易出戏~

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原帖由 wwhyuk 于 2010-3-10 10:32 发表
soompi那边的资料基本上都没人PO的,请亲放心PO吧


标题标题~ 咋办~从不汗的时候,凡是我建的楼,标题都是狗血的~
正儿 ...



你只要想  我要怎麼能讓看客一進這樓就愛上張赫 (當然還有吳智皓 及李多海)    愛上所有演員 導演 幕後製作.....
畢竟他們嘔心瀝血 正在受凍挨餓呢

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原帖由 pulain 于 2010-3-10 10:27 发表
既然是大吉幫  就該知道大吉跟其他兩兄弟的志向並不相同  
他除了找小ㄚ頭外  還不斷偷攢錢 建設山裡的桃花源  讓奴隸有平等的生活  他對言年的承諾一直在實踐中
這早已內化成為大吉的人生觀

反倒是太河  復國計劃裡並沒有廢除奴隸這一項  
他骨子裡就是個兩班,,,當過奴隸是他最大的恥辱
這也是16集裡當他知道慧媛是奴隸後大受打擊的原因  當然  大吉與慧媛將是太河找到改變世道 不再迷惘的關鍵

<推奴>主旨始終沒變  是有些觀眾太執意在三人的戀情上了  

<推奴>或許讓各粉絲失望  但卻沒有影響單純看戲的其他人(如我)
  編寫劇本邊拍戲的情況下  瑕疵及硬傷難免  尤其是大陣仗的戲
可是一般觀眾多能容忍 ~~ 因為有好演員及用心的工作團隊  整體而言仍是值得一看  (畢竟我們只是求娛樂 不是求影視教材)

内~ 跟我的理解/心态大致相同。。。
还有,看到现在,我的感觉是,不管惠媛最后情归何处,大吉如果跟惠媛之外的任何女人(包括雪花)在一起,将会破坏编剧从第一集到现在一直为大吉蕴酿与塑造的痴情坚贞,至死不渝的形象。。。
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