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【2006KBS】【Goodbye Solo】【已播毕】【7人协奏】理解面前,我何尝不是solo……

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 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-29 16:50 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 qizhimin1975 于 2006-3-29 16:01 发表
吴英淑为什么对自己可能得病这件事儿表现得那么特别呢?普通情况下怨天尤人还来不及呢,可她居然会用那种方式告诉敏载她可能病了,真是越来越摸不透编剧的意思了,接下来发生的事儿肯定会更让人觉得不可思议的,已 ...


qizhimin1975亲说的是第8集里的么?我还没有看~

现在看来,卢编剧就是要打破人们的固有偏见——谁说爱情就必须表现在守护上?谁说男人就该让女人依靠?谁说分手了的男女不能做朋友?……不用担心接下来会有什么不可思议的事。即使有,在这戏里也是正常的,呵呵。

吴英淑的思维方式是有些特别~我觉得她跟美英奶奶是一对“换位思考”的角色,吴英淑是女儿的角度,似乎有着来自妈妈那的伤痛;而美英奶奶是妈妈的角度,曾经给女儿带来过伤痛。

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 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-29 17:33 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 gzy1967 于 2006-3-29 16:25 发表
一直不知道《Goodbye Solo》就是《再见独奏》,今天才进来,内容很精彩。
可能是年龄的问题,特别喜欢裴宗玉扮演的吴英淑,无法相信她有病,我怀疑只是她老公想摆脱他的借口。她应该曾经爱过她老公吧,但是,她面 ...


555,难不成好多人都不知道《Goodbye Solo》就是《再见,独奏》???

关于这戏的中文名字,我曾经两次麻烦hana斑竹修改年表,从《再见,单身》改成《再见,独奏》,最后干脆没有中文名字。其实从Goodbye Solo的字面意思,最容易想到就是这两个,而且以前者居多。我是坚决不想把中文译名写成“再见,单身”的,因为觉得太难听太俗了,一听还以为是单身男女的恋爱结婚故事呢~开播前有新闻说这戏是多主人公共同演奏的“交响曲”,所以那时就把帖子的名字改成了《再见,独奏》。可是就在开播前几天,卢编剧的采访新闻里她自己说这戏会表达“不是一个人”的意思,即我们不是自己单独存在的一个人,而是与其他人都相互紧密联系着。这样想,叫《再见,独奏》也不是很合适了~热线的大大们用这个名字,是权衡之后决定的。《再见,独奏》听上去很美。

HOHO,在第7集结尾的最后几秒之前,我一直认为吴英淑是被她丈夫逼着去看病,就像《雷雨》里周朴原逼他老婆喝药。那有点恐怖片感觉的最后几秒,让人突然意识,原来吴英淑真的有病~她说过她很爱她老公,她一直忍着她丈夫也应该是出于这种爱。

看第7集时我也很同情志安。不过如果我是秀希,尽管最后会理解志安的苦处,但是想想他发神秘短信的这种方式,还是接受不了他~

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 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-29 21:21 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢longchenga亲贴第7集的图图!

单看图没看第7集的朋友可千万别误会敏浩和美莉啊!(单看图想不误会估计比登天还难)他俩是铁哥们!

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发表于 2006-3-29 21:29 | 显示全部楼层
第7集结尾和第8集里面吴女士所看到的幻觉,有可能就是她自己小时侯所发生的事情.

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 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-29 21:34 | 显示全部楼层
官网第9集预告片截图


                               
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发表于 2006-3-29 21:37 | 显示全部楼层
浩哲在车里对美莉说 sa lang ai! 我感动得流泪了。大叔真的演得很好。他才是最有情有义的啊!

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发表于 2006-3-29 22:28 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 途汀 于 2006-3-29 17:33 发表
555,难不成好多人都不知道《Goodbye Solo》就是《再见,独奏》???

关于这戏的中文名字,我曾经两次麻烦hana能给她指点迷津斑竹修改年表,从《再见,单身》改成《再见,独奏》,最后干脆没有中文名字。其实从Goodbye  ...

多谢解释~~最开始看的是英文剧名,这就引起我注意,果然里面有不同寻常的故事,在题材上别出心裁。若标题是《再见,单身》,误以为讲的是即将结婚的青年男女,我之前已经看过《结婚》,不会再看这类片子,想也不想进来的。。

刚看完第7集,吴女士出了精神问题,跟很多亲一样,真的吓了一跳。周围只有她一个人,觉得那个氛围太过寂静。
不过,我不太相信吴女士的精神有病。她平时说话头头是道,在关键之处给困惑的人忠告,美莉称赞她是有魅力的女人。她能给别人指点迷津,但还解不开自己的心结,就象楼主所说的,跟她妈妈有关。

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 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-29 22:38 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 幸福吉祥 于 2006-3-29 21:29 发表
第7集结尾和第8集里面吴女士所看到的幻觉,有可能就是她自己小时侯所发生的事情.


嗯,很有可能!

原帖由 tklyy 于 2006-3-29 21:37 发表
浩哲在车里对美莉说 sa lang ai! 我感动得流泪了。大叔真的演得很好。他才是最有情有义的啊!


是啊,我觉得李在龙说那句话时的眼神特别棒!

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发表于 2006-3-30 00:02 | 显示全部楼层
我说那短信到底是谁发的哇???看得人老悬的,。。
是不是婆婆那次说话也是她的幻听造成的???,。。独奏那名字翻得还是不错地,。。其实不翻最好了,就象韩语那样。。。

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发表于 2006-3-30 00:53 | 显示全部楼层
是志安发的。他一直给秀希发的短信内容就是她父母现在住的地方的地址。他想通过短信的方式试图告诉秀希真正的他究竟是什么样的。

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发表于 2006-3-30 01:02 | 显示全部楼层

传说中恐怖的第七集结尾:


                               
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发表于 2006-3-30 01:08 | 显示全部楼层

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发表于 2006-3-31 01:07 | 显示全部楼层
英淑终于向敏载道出了藏在她心里的那个大秘密,虽然听不懂,但是从她那哀怨的眼神和悲伤的语气中可以感受到年少的她因为这个秘密所承担的压力有多大。有“影坛常青树”之称的裴姐姐的精彩演绎也使得这段戏更加的引人注目。
期待期待再期待,期待热线制作人员制作的中文版九和十集,好想知道这个秘密到底是什么!

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发表于 2006-3-31 01:13 | 显示全部楼层

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发表于 2006-3-31 01:41 | 显示全部楼层
another good comments from Mr. X @twitch

Welcome To Life, Noh Hee-Kyung's 굿바이 솔로 (Goodbye Solo)



                               
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She loves him, he loves her. Something is in the air, something making them forget about everything else, about work (they don't need money to live), family (they just need each other) and friends; something that bonds them in ways stronger than any other force governing the world, defying physics (get hit by the killer minivan, but you're back 3 episodes later), laws and blood relations (you're my sister? No problem, I love you anyway). Like the title of a recent Daily Drama suggests, on Korean TV '사랑은 아무도 못말려 (nobody can stop love)', even reality, as most Trendy Dramas are simply content with wrapping ridiculously trite plots around the idea that love is forever, and when people get rid of obstacles life puts on their way, they can live their relationship with purity and innocence.

Just like a Yoon Seok-Ho Drama, or SBS' latest ridiculous attempt at shaking things a little with 백만장자와 결혼하기 (To Marry a Millionaire), starting as the Korean Joe Millionaire, and ending as the Bizarro World version of a shinpa from the 70s. Love can be a really simple ordeal on Korean TV: get an attractive couple, throw in an antagonist in the middle to sustain the usual 삼각관계 (love triangle) and you're done. Here's your Drama. Real life problems, conflicts, all the things which happen in a real relationship and can influence it? Nahhh... no need for that, because 'nobody can stop love.' Yet there's salvation somewhere out there, if you dig deep enough, salvation which comes from names like Kim Soo-Hyun, In Jung-Ok, and of course Noh Hee-Kyung, whose 굿바이 솔로 (Goodbye Solo) is delighting those viewers 'brave' enough to experience a taste of realism, throwing Cinderellas and Bad Girls in the trash bin.

The 'Queen of Home Dramas' Kim Soo-Hyun and her 가족주의 (family-ism), with veteran Kim Hee-Ae as her muse; In Jung-Ok and her urban melodramas, perhaps the best writer in the entire country (Film or Drama) when it comes to capturing the struggles of young Koreans in the metropolis; the bleak 'Drama Verite' of Noh Hee-Kyung, so realistic they hit dangerously close to home, unless your home lies somewhere in Andromeda. Of course there's other names, like Weekend Drama Wizard Kim Jung-Soo of 장미와 콩나물 (Roses & Beansprouts) and 한강수 타령 (Ode to the Han River), Lee Kyung-Hee of 미안하다 사랑한다 (I'm Sorry, I Love You) (yeah, let's forget that there's anything 'To Kill' in her career, OK? Shht...) and others. But when it comes to delivering quality on a consistent basis, those three are the big names. Now we know In Jung-Ok is preparing her upcoming Drama, which will probably star Go Hyun-Jung, and of course Kim Soo-Hyun is busy with the remake 사랑과 야망 (Love and Ambition) -- which is a big disappointment, but writing is not to blame. But expectations for Noh Hee-Kyung's next work after the wonderful 꽃보다 아름다워 (More Beautiful Than Flowers) were high. Yes, I did promise I wouldn't talk about the show until it was over, as Noh's Dramas always take a while to make a strong impression on the viewer, no matter how navigated and experienced he or she might be. But just like rewatching 부활 (Rebirth) through that magnificent Director's Cut DVD is bringing back enough thoughts to write a book (and you'll get a Film-sized review of the DVD in a couple of weeks), watching Goodbye Solo has such a strong effect on yours truly I had to write something about it. Now.

She's just 39, but it feels like she lived long enough to last for 5-6 people, as her characters show. While the country is 'enjoying' the latest entries in the puppy love saga -- Yoon Seok-Ho's delirious mess 봄의 왈츠 (Spring Waltz) -- the 'Bok-Shil Goes To Seoul' shenanigans of 넌 어느 별에서 왔니 (Which Star Are You From), and the usual extra-marital escapades shown every Friday night on SBS, there's a little show on KBS2 which might be largely ignored by the mainstream audience, with ratings around the 10 to 12%, but the 'brilliant' marketing we sometimes see in Korea worked its magic once again. Last year Min Gyu-Dong's glorious 내 생애 가장 아름다운 일주일 (All For Love) was compared to Love Actually, ending up as a Magnolia without frogs; this year, we were supposed to get a similar serving on TV with Goodbye Solo, yet it turns out there's very little similarity, with the possible exception of the basic formula (focus on many couples at once instead of the usual one or two). But the biggest surprise is that Noh Hee-Kyung might have just started to consider optimism as something possibly entering her world, which would be a huge change of pace from her past works, if the first half of Goodbye Solo is any indication.

A gangster trying to live life as he's supposed to for once (Lee Jae-Ryong), a young girl who's the only one thinking she's 'boring' (Yoon So-Yi), a seemingly superficial 'cool guy' who hides behind a facade (Cheon Jung-Myung), a woman who survives day by day, slowly eroded by the pain of her past (Bae Jong-Ok), just a few of Noh's seemingly cliched characters. But then again, take a look at the show, just a quarter hour, and you feel as if you lived with them a lifetime. That's the major talent of Miss Noh, that of injecting terabytes of 사람냄새 (smell of real people) in what might look like caricatures, which then gradually turn into people right under our eyes. Because if you decide to live it that way, life can turn into a cliche pretty fast, no matter how 'creative' you think you can be, but Noh finds beauty even in the simplest, most ordinary things. Yet, Goodbye Solo feels different. She already used the 'Love Actually' structure in past Dramas, although it was all tied together by family, but its use here creates a different rhythm compared to past works. It's difficult to explain, especially if you don't have enough patience to see all the doors to this strange world slowly open, which is probably the biggest reason why the show is doing really bad in the ratings, just like most of Noh's other shows. Goodbye Solo is not about love triangles, bad girls and good girls, 2nd generation Chaebols trying to marry off poor girls from the countryside. It's about finding that something that makes life worth living. Confidence? Sure. Happiness? Definitely. Love? Actually... I don't know.

In a world where writers have a couple of days to complete a script for an episode, which is given to the cast in the morning for an afternoon or evening shoot, the amount of stress people like Noh go through while shooting a Drama is difficult to imagine. Yet, with every new show, she's not only been able to escape the pitfalls of the 'on-the-fly' modus operandi (she announced the main script is already completed, all it needs is some basic touching up, which leaves more room for the actors to understand what they're trying to play), but she constantly gets the best out of all the actors cast in her shows, which is why people like Bae Jong-Ok and Lee Jae-Ryong keep coming back. Ask Kim Heung-Soo, who before More Beautiful Than Flowers was simply considered a familiar face on TV, much less an actor; ask Han Go-Eun, who before the 2004 KBS Drama was never considered more than a pretty face, but actually created 'disappointment' with following performances as they didn't measure up to the standards she showed working with Noh. Ask, last in line, Kim Min-Hee, who was criticized left and right (by myself as well, mea culpa) before the show for being nothing more than a pretty face with important connections (her favourite 'oppa' is a certain Lee Jung-Jae) infesting the screens. With the first ever real 'performance' of her career, thanks to Noh's magic even Kim Min-Hee looks like a pulsating, breathing, living human being, not a former model trying to remember what's her next line.

As it stands right now, Goodbye Solo is contending with MBC's Historical Drama 신돈 (Shin Don) for Best TV Drama of 2006 in my book. And it might just have become my favourite Noh Hee-Kyung work. With only a couple of weeks left before its conclusion, and another few weeks before my review of the show, here's a little interview with writer Noh appearing recently on Cine21.

The dialogue expressing love in the show seems particularly meaningful.
Noh Hee-Kyung: I don't really like using words which usually qualify as 'expressions of love'. Ever since I was little, no matter what happened my father continued to cheat on my mother, so I'd keep asking her 'why do you keep living with that man?' I remember she once said 'because I love him', just that. I just think the clearer, the more explicit you get about expressing the reasons why you love someone, the better. When you're in love your point of view is the present, and that only, so I don't know why Dramas keep following this 'love is forever' mantra. So that's why I write dialogue like 'I don't know if that's love, but it's something that changes people', or 'Wouldn't you get tired only loving that man forever?'.

You're showing many different things in this Drama.
Noh: I tried a lot of new things with this show. I lowered the age of the characters, and focused a lot more on relationships between young characters at the beginning; I threw in some mystery ingredients as well, and since I was dealing with seven main characters, I increased the tempo and summarized their development a lot more than usual. In short, I tried to combine elements which would appeal to both old and new, as the story covers all ages.

Every character lives away from home, alone.
Noh: Right from the outline writing process, there were no characters with stable relationships or marriage ties. Instead of simply focusing on the family relationship between the characters, I tried to go beyond that, when acquaintances become something closer to family. Instead of showing the usually 'vertical' relationship between parents and sons, with a 'bottom to top' setup, I tried a more 'horizontal' approach, where mother and daughter see each other on the same level. That opens new opportunities to explore in terms of how people deal with relationships.

Isn't that too difficult a concept to portray on TV?
Noh: I've heard many things from people who think reality is not too appealing, who think I fabricate intrigue and create a sort of 'wicked realism' destroying all the characters inside it. I don't know if there's a wicked side to people, but doesn't someone who believes in beauty live a sort of fantasy within the real world? That's what I am, a writer of 'fantasy realism'. My writing is simply a mechanism to understand other people, I'd just like people to look at my Dramas and think I've portrayed realistic characters.

There's many viewers saying Noh Hee-Kyung is changing.
Noh: After the end of 고독 (Solitude), I went to a monk I knew and said to him crying 'I tried my best to make a good drama, but viewers betrayed me.' After that, for 3 years I kept reading the 금강경 (Diamond Sutra, one the most famous Buddhist sutras and an ode to 'non-abiding'), reflecting on the reasons why I kept writing Dramas, about what I was trying to say writing those shows. If you use the 'ratings are going down, but the show's quality is up' mantra, then you might think I'm trying to distance myself from the mainstream, that I'm trying to do 'literary' works, but that's not my goal. It's a duty of a commercial writer to produce shows that can appeal to the station and viewers since they're the ones who put food on your table, I'm not trying to alienate viewers on purpose.

I've heard your next project will finally reunite you with PD Pyo Min-Soo after a long time.
Noh: That'll be a good chance to see how much we've developed compared to our past works. The main subject hasn't been decided yet, but the thought that there's nothing more pressing in today's society than trying to live a respectable life keeps haunting me, so that's your answer, probably.



                               
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굿바이 솔로 (Goodbye Solo)
Wed/Thu Drama - KBS2 [Cast: Cheon Jung-Myung, Yoon So-Yi, Bae Jong-Ok, Lee Jae-Ryong, Kim Min-Hee]
Official Website
PD: Gi Min-Soo
WRITER: Noh Hee-Kyung

direct link:http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/005601.html

下周开始周三周四很难取舍亚,这个剧还有mbc流氓医生。。。

敏浩哥哥其实也是蛮可怜的人,跟英淑讲了他母亲的事以后,说母亲对他说了对不起,但是其实自己想听的不是这个,自己想听她说:谢谢你,我爱你。。。
原来也是一个需要爱而得不到的人。。。还说母亲只对敏浩说了这个。。。怪不得他表面上那么冷酷,其实心里是有点不甘吧?自己疼爱的弟弟原来是母亲的私生子,而自己爱着的妈妈只爱弟弟。这么说来还有点像巴黎恋人里的秀赫,呵呵~~凑巧都是一个妈妈演的。

[ 本帖最后由 iltm2000 于 2006-3-31 04:48 编辑 ]
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