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【2012jTBC】【妻子的資格】【金喜愛 李誠宰】平淡的幸福有你有我,剪輯修正中字更ing

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 楼主| 发表于 2012-4-8 09:39 | 显示全部楼层
아내의 자격 OST Part 3
3.  Here With Me - Suehee


You’ll keep your secrets and
I’ll keep mine too Cause there’re things that
I’d rather not, hear or say to you
When words that are spoken, vanish in the air
I’ll keep your words written inside this heart of mine

So when we are far apart, and you start to lose your way
I’ll say these words to you, to chase your doubts away

I love everything about you The sweetness of your smile
And sparkles joining in your eyes
I don’t care about the things you have or the things you don’t
I only want your love, love
To be here with me
To be here with me

I’ll give you freedom and the space that it takes
Cause I’m afraid to hold too tight, for you might just slip away
And after all is said and done
I just want you to know
That I was a just lonely girl, before I met you

So when we are far apart, and you’re feeling down and blue
I’ll say these words to you, to chase your fears away

I love everything about you
The silly ways you laugh
And the tiny hairs on your finger tops
And I don’t care about the things you have or the things you don’t
I only want your love, love
To be here with me
To be here with me

You’ll keep your secrets and
I’ll keep mine too Cause there’re things that
I’d rather not, hear or say to you

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They call it 불륜.


It might only mean infidelity, committing adultery. But something that is often lost in translation when dealing with this term is its Hanja counterpart 不倫 -- which opens a monumental can of worms involving not only sociology but also quintessentially Korean customs that date back to the genesis of the Joseon dynasty and its Neo-Confucian DNA. It’s a combination of 不, which indicates negation, and 倫, which depending on its context could mean human relations, moral duty or simply ethics. English’s adultery comes from the Latinadulterium, the contamination of something seemingly pure via extraneous, illicit entities or actions. In this case, the offending parts compromise the “sanctity” of marriage and the family institution through their actions, behavior which nonetheless firmly remains in the realm of individualism – since only the family (or families, if both perpetrators are married) is directly affected.

Yet, the ancient, Sino-Korean foundation of this term doesn’t specifically comment on the illicit sexual intercourse or even the contamination of marriage’s purity which define it in English, but instead takes a broader, less individualistic approach – describing it as defiance against morals so ingrained in Korean society as to deserve to be classified as a sin. Morals which of course are predominantly Confucian. If you look at the Confucian classics upon which prototypical Korean education was based, you’ll find that among the Three Bonds and Five Cardinal Morals (삼강오륜, 三綱五倫) there are two “commandments” that come in handy when talking about the aforementioned social taboo.


부위부강 (夫爲婦綱,Buwi Bugang): The wife serves the husband.
부부유별 (夫婦有別,Bubu Yubyeol): There is a clear distinction between man and wife.



                               
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I wouldn’t want to turn this into a critique of Confucianism’s core fallacies and contradictions, but those eight characters are the very foundation behind the dehumanization of the married woman which has dominated Korean society for centuries. In this environment, marriage -- a social union which supposedly begins with kinship – opens the gates to a lifelong emotional purgatory made of impossibly exacting demands, of codes to observe and rules which must never be broken, lest a single moment of human hesitation might create a social tsunami of epic proportions. Not everyone is cut out for all this, as the increasing number of divorces in the country can prove. It’s almost as if you had to possess certain qualifications before you could marry someone. As if a woman needed
아내의자격(A Wife’s Credentials).

These credentials imply the forsaking of one’s individuality as a woman (something the man only abandons on paper), turning them into a slightly more evolved form of Swedish sci-fi seriesÄktaMänniskor's hubots – you know,
human robots. It’s no longer Yoon Seo-Rae, woman aged 38 with a past as a journalist in the art department – someone with youthful aspirations, favorite movies, songs that made her heart throb, memories of sights and sounds so beautiful that they brought her to tears.





She suddenly becomes Han Sang-Jin’s wife, occasional sexual partner and housemaid, not to mention the woman responsible for nurturing Gyeol, the future heir of the “Han Dynasty” – just another upper-middle class clan living in what I not so affectionately often call Gangnamistan, an elusive little chiefdom with its own rules in the fancy heart of Seoul.


Their being upper-middle class is paramount, as it’s actually part of the problem: the higher your social status is, the more attention you’ll tend to pay to the largely obsolete conservative mores which define it, particularly in this social environment. The Confucian social structure cannot help but invite rampant class divide to begin with, and if you couple that with the competitive craze introduced in the 1960’s by the Park Jung-Hee junta, you have legions of
nouveau riche
so terrified of losing their status, they’ll do everything to maintain it. Even if it means robbing human beings of what they used to call life.

Even before she moved to Daechi-Dong, Gangnam’s mecca of private education, and began to experience a bloodthirsty sense of competition between fellow mothers, Seo-Rae was already suffering from the consequences of a rather lackluster marital curriculum – what with coming from a meager upbringing that involved a senile mother and (Mon Dieu) a sister selling side dishes for a living. This included having to endure the dubiously subtle scorn of her in-laws, and the sneaking sensation that having an ordinary background had suddenly become some kind of sin against humanity she would spend the rest of her life atoning for. Even her educational methods are derided, seeing as they cannot be quantified via a short and sweet grade that confronts her precious child with all the other kids surrounding him. Lest, you know, people might start judging him for what he is (a creative and emotionally healthy kid fostered by affection) and not for what he’s supposed to become (a productive member of society who will continue the proud family tradition of being rich and influential).



                               
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This all becomes overwhelming, because it robs Seo-Rae of her very existence, her
raison d'être. She sacrificed the prime of her life to foster her son into a caring, tolerant human being, and it turns out that those ten odd years were a failure, all because Gyeol’s math skills are a little funky, and he – God forbid – has yet to read Tolstoy’s
Анна Каренина (Anna Karenina)
despite being already in middle school. Now her decision to stray from the pack and raise her kid in a different way clashes with the sectarian tenets which dominate this small but tremendously influential corner of Korean society. Her family despises her even more than they already were, and she’s ridiculed by her neighbors and alleged peers with that nonchalant, condescending aura of cordiality. She’s almost forty, and there’s no more air to breathe, trapped as she is inside a jungle of soulless buildings that only make the blue sky look a world away.

Enter Tae-Oh.

He’s disarmingly suave and strangely charming in a way that makes all the stifling barriers everyone erects around her vanish. There is no need for duplicity with him, as they can talk adult to adult without having to resort to fluffy conversation whose salient points start and end with status symbols. She once again becomes, in other words, the Yoon Seo-Rae she used to know, before she lost her name and had to conceal her humanity behind a mask called wife, mother, daughter-in-law. It’s a sweet awakening, one which rekindles feelings that remained dormant for years, maybe a decade. She feels like a woman again, and a human hesitation takes her out of that suffocating bubble and back into the light. And here is your tsunami.


For what seems like ages, viewers have been trained to view infidelity on the lil’ screen as a sort of narrative dildo – an artificial device that cannot stand on its own legs, but might bring shallow, ephemeral pleasure. The act itself and its numerous implications are never that important to begin with, it’s the shock value it represents which slowly turned this social taboo into a mere McGuffin. Entire formats have been built around it for decades, such as morning daily dramas, making the riotous excesses of Venezuelan
telenovelassuddenly feel like a subtle Kieślowski

flick. Explaining what led to adultery and its consequences is never too pressing a concern, when all you care about is finding another way to shock the viewers. The louder and more over the top, the better.

But then you’re blessed with something like this, a drama with the balls to see adultery as the starting point of a greater debate on Korean society and not just as a tool to stimulate the viewers’ most visceral instincts.



A show where characters go on pouring their hearts out for five minute long scenes, unabated by nary a single cut or even a brief musical intrusion, as if this were a theater play.


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A show which wears extreme realism on its sleeve, knowing that any emotional response is up to the viewer, and that it is something the drama must sincerely earn from him. Not just get on its knees and beg for it with the subtlety of a starving beggar.


There are moments when Ahn Pan-Seok’s masterful camera is so subtle, so unabashedly confident in its script and cast’s ability to deliver, it doesn’t even feel there. The natural lighting, the tiny details that make the apartments, cafes and locations come alive, the time that is given to the actors to breathe life into their characters. It all magically flows together into a breezy, lifelike whole that envelops the viewer like few post-Hallyu dramas have ever done. Subtly buried inside this world are moments of hilarity that never feel forced, immensely poignant scenes that explode in all their emotional power just at the right moment, and then vanish away when their purpose has been fulfilled.
A Wife’s Credentials
is so satisfying an experience, no amount of praise can do it justice, simply because its immense realism and irresistible atmosphere is something you must experience firsthand.

It’s causing quite the interesting stir among viewers as well, and not just because it nearly doubled
빠담빠담(Padam Padam)’s previous record, becoming not only the highest rated show out of all the four new hybrid channels, but basically the top show outside the big 3’s efforts. Perhaps it’s because it speaks to married women in a way that doesn’t treat them like demographic percentile points, by challenging them intellectually and emotionally in an equal way. It does so in such an intelligent manner, even someone far removed from the situation can easily relate to what Seo-Rae and Tae-Oh are going through, simply because the show looks at their predicament with more humanistic sense of objectivity – one which despite strictly adhering to reality is still able to play with it, criticizing its most tragicomic contradictions.



                               
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Take, for instance, the increasingly ironic portrayal of the supposedly “perfect” family Seo-Rae escaped from. They’re so-called 강남좌파 (Gangnam Pinko), the Korean equivalent of your average
gauche caviar, limousine liberal,
kystbanesocialist
and what have you – their raging hypocrisy defining them just as much as their lifestyle does. What Jung Sung-Joo does in depicting all these contradictions is not merely hiding a black face behind a white mask, but showing that there are no masks that can hide the fact that everything in life is gray. This is the rare superior show which takes responsibility for every single histrionic it presents you with, and earns those moments every step of the way, never indulging you a second more than it’s needed.

I would praise members of this phenomenal ensemble cast, from Lee Sung-Jae’s best performance in over ten years to Lee Tae-Ran’s subtle touches of weakness finding their way outside the poker face Ji-Seon seems to wear 24/7 – not to mention Jang Hyun-Sung’s deliciously layered elite alpha male, and Kim Hee-Ae’s amazing dualism between conflicted mother and woman rediscovering her youth. But that would single out elements of a whole so organic and cohesive as to appear perfectly put together.



In a 2012 which has so far brought back real sageuk like
무신
(God of War)

and
인수대비
(Queen Insoo)
,

real home dramas like
곰배령
(The Garden of Heaven)

and real trendy dramas like
난폭한
로맨스

(Wild Romance)
,

it’s awe-inspiring to see a genre as deservedly maligned as that of adultery dramas finally find a voice, and through what is one of its all time best offerings. It reinforces the notion that when you pour your heart and soul into a production, then no genre will ever need any credentials to stand out from the rest.




                               
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原帖由 c猫猫at 于 2012-4-7 23:54 发表
12集最後,泰伍怒吼的兩段臺詞,玩玩翻譯可能有壓力
說得太快也很激動,以我的水平更聽不懂
看到官網有韓國人留言說聽不清臺詞,沒想到連韓國人也會有障礙。有人回帖把臺詞打出來
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谢谢猫猫提供这样的资源!
我已经托好友传给他!


原帖由 c猫猫at 于 2012-4-7 18:03 发表
愛你 我管不了是禍 未想過是為何 能愛著你苦也未去躲 愛你 最想得你附和 像這宇宙諧和 求你像我不要亂去想 爲什麽
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看完了这4个视频!只有一个字的形容词能给泰武~~~帅!

第2个视频找借口的瑞莱让我听着都累,泰武简洁的台词最漂亮~~~我走了!
干净利落~~因为再继续听下去都是谎话都不是泰武想要听到的!
看到在小巷消失的背影,瑞莱也觉得内疚和落寞!

第4个视频,生气的泰武转过身去!
看到自己爱的那个人,那么可靠温暖的背瑞莱没法拒绝!
好喜欢这段的安排让他们把该发泄的情绪都表现出来,过后又让彼此进一步的了解!

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辛苦你了,我有點擔心玩玩的翻譯,這樣保險點,嘻嘻
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我最喜歡是:是的,認識,(而且)非常
編劇對泰伍的爆發是一步步鋪墊的,發現瑞萊熬夜工作之後,看她說了三次慌
泰伍經過一次婚姻失敗,在處理跟愛侶的關係上比以前進步了~
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這編劇很喜歡鋪墊
記得第1集就有瑞萊的前度惡婆婆在網上打牌戲,後面幾集又出現了一次,表現她是個愛投機賭博的人
第10集她投資什麽虧了一筆錢
第12集債主找上門來
這樣看那個家族也不是大富大貴,dc的人猜測他們會破產,這麼脆弱啊..?

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看完了这4个视频!只有一个字的形容词能给泰武~~~帅!

第2个视频找借口的瑞莱让我听着都累,泰武简洁的台词最漂亮~~~我走了!
干净利落~~因为再 ... [/quote]
真的喜欢这样的文字和心情,做一个细心、体贴、温暖的人,真的很重要,给这个世界带来许多的温暖。

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原帖由 c猫猫at 于 2012-4-8 21:51 发表
辛苦你了,我有點擔心玩玩的翻譯,這樣保險點,嘻嘻
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我最喜歡是:是的,認識,(而且)非常
編劇對泰伍的爆發是一步步鋪墊的,發現瑞萊熬夜工作之後,看她說了三次慌
泰伍經過一次婚姻失敗,在處理跟愛侶的關 ...


唉哟!辛苦的人可是你耶,我们跟着你幸福着!

嗯!这句我也喜欢,所以才会说看过四个视频就一个字形容泰武~~帅!

那个韩家不算是大富大贵人家!因为都是打工一族。。(现在只剩下韩尚珍在打工而已!)
你看第10集的时候,家人在说到韩杰报读“升学补习班”的话费用会是韩尚珍没法应付的!
妹妹的女儿没问题因为老公是律师也是自己开业的!
所以韩家老头子才会要老婆拿出那笔存款让韩杰用在学习上!
韩家老太婆为了掩盖自己就让儿子跟瑞莱要补偿金!

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第11集中字在线





第12集中字在线



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看了玩玩中字,翻譯得還可以,就是有些地方有點亂,還有12集最後泰伍的話跟我理解的有點不同,我也不知道怎樣理解比較正確.
11集中小姑和老公的對話大意是:遺憾再怎麼努力也生不出兒子,要把大女兒培養成那個律師家族的繼承人
12集小姑怪責家傭把海帶湯倒掉了,韓國人認為海帶對女人身體好,生完孩子要喝,爲了生孩子也要喝吧,小姑覺得生兒子沒希望了,就不需要喝海帶湯補身子,叫傭人倒掉,第二天又怪責人家怎麼倒了。
晚上四個女人在講小姑家、洪老師家是非的對話,翻譯得有些亂,不過對於很多觀眾來說可能無關緊要,但那場戲並不是多餘的。那幾個配角演得真好,很真實。
第11集晚飯約會,玩玩翻譯成:慶倖我們的關係還是很要好,而且越來越好
我認為翻譯成:慶倖我仍然喜歡你,而且越來越喜歡

那時看完11集直播,以為泰伍把瑞萊那份賠償金也還了,連第二天新聞都這樣說的
看12集有些地方聽不太明白所以不知道,看完中字理解成:以前泰伍提出過幫瑞萊還,但是瑞萊說自己有能力還

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发表于 2012-4-9 22:27 | 显示全部楼层
追這部劇一直有看韓網反應和官網留言,我想知道韓國人爲什麽會喜歡這部劇,是達到強烈推薦的程度,有些人說這是幾年間最好的一部劇,有人說是on檔劇中陷入度最高的劇,等等,韓國人那麼喜歡這部劇是有原因的,並不是他們道德觀出了問題,而是看懂了這部劇,有感觸又共鳴。當然也有少部份人認為是美化不倫而否定它。
剛在官網看到一個觀眾留言,連續寫了兩篇,從第一篇留言看來,可以知道這個觀眾是女性,較大的孩子已經處於青春期,她通過社區網站知道這部劇,藏起來 一個人的時候偷偷看,看這部劇有初戀的感覺.
她的第二篇留言,我理解了她的意思,但是翻譯得不好

                               
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但是撲通撲通的心是向著誰呢?
一開始會幻想自己是瑞萊,被單純的泰伍吸引
這樣的話我先生可能會變成尚鎮那樣
不是的
88屆的尚鎮完全是現實中庸俗的中年男人
我先生完全不是那樣,某種意義上來說,我先生跟泰伍很像
啊..重新開始看到我先生
難道我像洪魔女?那倒不是...
我有點像瑞萊的小迷糊,那麼我跟先生像是瑞萊遇上泰伍
啊,泰伍和瑞萊結婚后大概就是我們這樣?
這時候我覺悟到一直以來忽略的事
我在孩子房間睡的話,先生會等我,等不到就自己睡,養成了這樣的習慣
突然這一幕出現在腦海,原來我先生像泰伍一樣細心
啊~~最近又在陷入愛情..而且還是自己獨佔,藏起來的秘密一樣
把Daydream believer這首歌給先生聽,原來他也知道這歌,他讓我不得不愛
昨晚跟先生說:我重新把他看作是男人,他問我:你怎麼了,一直把我當作女人嗎,哈哈
我不知道有多感謝他和對不起他
因為妻子的資格我重新找回愛的感覺,謝謝
希望瑞萊和泰伍也不要忘記美好的愛情,繼續互相尊重、舒心地愛下去
期待他們快點結婚生小孩,善良人過幸福生活為happyending..
美麗的金喜愛,帥氣的李誠宰,fighting!!


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发表于 2012-4-9 23:17 | 显示全部楼层

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11集泰武和瑞莱在饭店吃饭,庆祝相识400天和他自己还清了债务。泰武说了一句话“我还是希望在我的人生道路上值得为那些凶险的日子付出一些代价”。这句话让我太感动了。多么勇敢的一个男人。
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